{"id":8989,"date":"2026-10-29T14:21:05","date_gmt":"2026-10-29T12:21:05","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/ivarraav.com\/uncategorized\/i-had-a-truly-inspiring-conversation-with-sissi\/"},"modified":"2026-10-30T14:24:34","modified_gmt":"2026-10-30T12:24:34","slug":"i-had-a-truly-inspiring-conversation-with-sissi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/ivarraav.com\/en\/governance\/i-had-a-truly-inspiring-conversation-with-sissi\/","title":{"rendered":"I had a truly inspiring conversation with Sissi!"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We talked, of course, about leadership, but above all about how control isn\u2019t the best way to lead, and how to lead and engage the people around you\u2014primarily through your vision and passion. How to lead through meaning, rather than through a hierarchical, control-based approach.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We didn&#8217;t say a word about singing, so those of you who know Sissi as a singer will now discover entirely new perspectives on her and her approach to life, to leading people, and to influencing them.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In my opinion, leadership is precisely about using our energy to inspire others to do something they wouldn\u2019t otherwise do. And Sissi is a wonderful example of this. Control, structure, and rules are things that give us the illusion that things are safe\u2014until life shows us that they aren\u2019t. We talked about changes\u2014or rather, transformations\u2014and how we can\u2019t let go of the old if we want the new. And so we carry around all of that, which ultimately leads to overload, burnout, and depression.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">We also addressed the question of whether and how young people actually want to become leaders, even though statistics suggest they don\u2019t. You\u2019ll find out by listening to or watching the podcast.<\/p>\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">You can still find the \u201cLeadership Without Management\u201d podcast on your preferred platform. As you know, LinkedIn doesn\u2019t support external links, so it\u2019s up to each of you to discover it on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or YouTube.<\/p>\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img fetchpriority=\"high\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/ivarraav.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Juhtimine-Juhtimiseta-koos-kulalise-Sissiga-1024x576.jpeg\" alt=\"Pictured: Ivar Raav, Sissi Nylia Benita, and Katriin J\u00fcriska, who appeared on the \u201cJuhtimine Juhtimiseta\u201d podcast.\" class=\"wp-image-8986\" srcset=\"https:\/\/ivarraav.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Juhtimine-Juhtimiseta-koos-kulalise-Sissiga-1024x576.jpeg 1024w, https:\/\/ivarraav.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Juhtimine-Juhtimiseta-koos-kulalise-Sissiga-300x169.jpeg 300w, https:\/\/ivarraav.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Juhtimine-Juhtimiseta-koos-kulalise-Sissiga-768x432.jpeg 768w, https:\/\/ivarraav.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Juhtimine-Juhtimiseta-koos-kulalise-Sissiga-600x338.jpeg 600w, https:\/\/ivarraav.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/10\/Juhtimine-Juhtimiseta-koos-kulalise-Sissiga.jpeg 1280w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We talked, of course, about leadership, but above all about how control isn\u2019t the best way to lead, and how to lead and engage the people around you\u2014primarily through your vision and passion. How to lead through meaning, rather than through a hierarchical, control-based approach. 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